25 Responses to “CES2013: On “Booth Babes”, Hyper, Objectification and Sexuality”

  1. Robert January 11, 2013 at 4:03 pm #

    I found your post fascinating Drew. Let me tell you my reaction when I first saw the images in your blog. Keep in mind it’s coming from a single male occasionally lacking in female companionship. Wow. At last someone is using woman of a more typical body size in the attempt to attract attention. Enough with the stick figure look already. BTW…If you happen to know any of the participants phone numbers please pass it my way.

  2. Colleen January 11, 2013 at 4:10 pm #

    “I think when it is all said and done, I don’t care that Hyper chose to attract attention this way.”

    As a woman, I do. It perpetuates the objectification of women whether it attracted you or not, whether it’s just to attract the (other) males, or it’s a marketing play. It still uses women almost naked to sell a product / idea / image.
    Would you truly be OK if one, or both, of your daughters or your wife was on the dias, painted in stripes across nipples only because ‘it’s a job’ ?

    You state, “I work to eliminate violence against all people, men and women alike.” I beg to differ based on this blog alone.

    • Drew January 11, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

      Colleen thanks for your thoughtful response. I don’t entirely disagree with your assertions. I included the notion that I am a father who has daughters for just the reason you state. If they made that choice thoughtfully I would support their participation. I fear you have missed my main point. All advertising and marketing involves some form of objectification, not just of women. We use totems to illicit an expected response. It does not make it right, but sexuality is part of the current equation of successful marketing. Separating sexuality in the near term is unlikely because it sells stuff. No amount of arm waving or ranting is going to change that. As cultural tastes and values change perhaps that effectiveness will wane. You are right to not support any organization, company or person whose behavior you find objectionable. Particularly with your cash and your attention. At its core, what will shape the behavior of marketers is not selling stuff. My fear is when voices are raised, and mandates are threatened, the obstreperous clamor will force those in power to dig in. Bottom line, I worry creative enterprises will be vetted by the taste police. That what is “good” and what is “respectful for all” will be mandated rather than shaped by a community at large. The best part of the Hyper display is it brings to the front a difficult issue that needs to be explored. It is messy, but it is also healthy to question our values as a culture, and ultimately as a civilization. No easy answers.

      • Phillip January 14, 2013 at 6:50 pm #

        I continue to appreciate your thoughtful responses. I understand where you are going with your ideas and I think it is historically accurate (though I disagree with comparing this some form of “totems”, which isn’t the same to me as the muddled predilections of commercial culture). I do draw a line at your broad concept of objectification. We live in a society that has a long history of objectifying specific groups of people in malicious and harmful manners. Recognition of that fact, especially the continuity of it in our contemporary setting, requires me to consider your concept dishonest. Nothing compares to the sexualization and objectification (neither of these are the same as sexuality which is best considered an interaction between actual humans, not their representations) of women in advertising we have experienced in modern times (though definitely not new). There are many angles to take in critiquing this display (at least they had diversity in body types and ethnicity) but equivocating on the objectification of the female body doesn’t seem to be one.

        I also do not consider your final statements to be true. I cannot credit their display for bringing to “the front a difficult issue” as they continuously refuse to remotely engage the dialog. That doesn’t seem to be even remotely be their goal, if so they would be happy to invest energy into that process. I do credit organizations like MissRepresentation and authors like yourself for that positive outcome. I would just ask that you reconsider framing HyperMac as the benefactor of that and recognize that framing social advocates as “taste police”, which is just to close to the write-off known as being politically correct. I would challenge you to read more of MissRepresentations work and contributions before assuming this is even close to being about political correctness. As I have experienced the organization, it is in it for the long haul and about the social and individual harm these representations of females truly has.

        • Emily Maggard January 18, 2013 at 7:17 am #

          Thank you for pointing out the difference between sex and sexuality

    • Erik January 14, 2013 at 6:47 pm #

      I think that the hypersensitivity towards throwing around ‘misogyny’ and ‘objectification of women’ is getting a bit jaded by now. I’m not saying that there isn’t a potential problem, but I think the knee-jerk reactions need to stop and be thought of more deeply.

      Let me ask you this: If the same booth had been there with males wearing a speedo painted in a similar fashion, would you cry that they are objectifying men? Would that thought even cross your mind? I highly doubt it. You would probably think of it as merely some kind of take on art, even if you don’t necessarily care for it.

      So now that it is a woman instead, it’s objectifying? I think that’s pulling a gender card here. Those women were wearing just about the same as what most women wear to the beach. If anything, they were ‘wearing’ more, as the body paint definitely hides their body contours more than as if they were completely nude.

      If these women were acting in some kind of provocative manner and being flirty/seductive then I would agree with you on the whole bit. However, they were standing completely still much like a statue. So I suppose any statue of nearly naked women is objectifying them in an unreasonable matter too? Well, what about the statues of Greek men, typically with their dongs out?

      Here’s the thing, no one forced these participants to do so. So women themselves are perpetuating the problem of objectifying themselves. Yet, all I hear are women yelling at the males for witnessing it and making commentary.

      • Phillip January 14, 2013 at 9:07 pm #

        Women definitely perpetuate sexism and objectification of other women/themselves. No disagreement there. I don’t hear most people in the #notbuyingit advocacy blaming men in this case but challenging a company (genderless) to change or reconsider its marketing decisions.

        As for the “what if”…..its not the situation and not relevant. And did you really say “gender card”? Its not a card but a lens to evaluate and critique culture. And gender is a major issue in our society.

        As well…..its always going to be different (per your beach comment) to evaluate the actions of one individual versus the marketing/advertising (i.e. what is known broadly as representation) actions of a company. A personal action doesn’t represent the majority but these marketing gimmicks do try to tap into a broader appeal through imagery, symbolism and representation and therefor can be analyzed in that manner. Critiquing how it influences others and possibly misrepresents women in this case is valid. In summary I find your comparison flawed.

        I also challenge you to re-evaluate your summary of our commentary as “knee-jerk” as that doesn’t remotely resemble the ongoing, persistent and well-thoughtout actions I have witnessed during the length of the #notbuyingit effort. This is just one in a long line of companies we have challenged to rethink their strategies. But they all fit a pattern of, what we consider, objectification, misrepresentation and sexualization of women in our society.

        Just a few thoughts.

      • Emily January 17, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

        I did not realize there was a gender card. Is that the one you use when I make only 67% as much as a man in my identical position, with the exact same qualifications? Is that the one I use when I get judged told to “try to look a bit more professional” when I don’t wear makeup to work? Is that the one I use when everyday when I walk home I get verbal “Catcalls,” some of which are very threatening- telling me what they’d do to me very graphically, and then attempting to touch me, but I am left with no choice but to keep walking, because i cannot drive (disability). How often do these things happen to you? I am totally cognizant that rape, domestic violence and assault happens to everyone- men and women- but you should know that the rate of these thing happening to women is much much higher (1 in 4 women will file a rape report in her lifetime- that’s just reported). We had a bunch of old white dudes trying to vote on what women could do with their own bodies this last year- not a woman in the room.

        So yes, if there is a gender card, I’d really like to use it. Maybe women are just tired of waiting for the world to catch up.

        The women were blank BODIES. That is the problem. Women are not decor. There wasn’t even sexuality involved- just the idea of sex. Their parts should not be used to sell your junk. Learn how to advertise. And yes, using the Thunder From Down Under to sell your stuff is just as bad- still sexist.

    • big joe January 17, 2013 at 12:30 pm #

      If it were my wife, then I would be very happy. Other men can look at her, but she comes home to me.

      • Emily January 17, 2013 at 3:09 pm #

        I think you are missing the point.

  3. sadie January 14, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

    …So why not include men?

  4. Leigh January 14, 2013 at 2:52 pm #

    “Some of you will rush to the judgment that I don’t see the problem because I am a 50+ white guy who has enjoyed a position of privilege throughout his life.”

    Yup. And reading this didn’t change my mind. Using women’s bodies to sell things unrelated to women’s bodies is the problem. It is a real problem that contributes to the difficulties women face attempting to achieve parity on many levels in our culture. The “voices raised” are the saying exactly what you propose: if you object to this marketing don’t buy their stuff. That is what the #notbuyingit movement is all about. That is how the clamor arose and we can only hope it makes advertisers think twice next time about the objectification of women’s bodies to sell product. I hope you will listen to the voices raised for your daughters’ sake.

  5. Emily January 14, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

    I find you- as a 50 year old dude with daughters, to be totally missing the point. What is this company selling? Flesh? Computers?
    You talk as if you know what the woman behind you is thinking- all because she sticks out her tongue. Perhaps she was not happy with being photographed, job or no job.
    Basically- why are women sold for their parts? This is not an art show, so don’t try and sell it like it is. I am curious how you would explain this job to a group of young females, your daughter’s friends perhaps? Now how about a young man? Why are there not these living “statues” of both sexes included? WTF does this have to do with Hyper products? And has it occurred to ANYONE that men, specifically middle aged men such as yourself, are not offended by women being parceled out body part by body part to sell whatever new tech toy (or whatever toy, product, hair cream, new car, insurance, basically anything, so we are less valued, and underpaid- less that 3/4 the salary!)- but WOMEN are pissed- maybe not all women, but the ones who notice that society’s actions are linked to society’s mentality- like the one you-yourself, have- which is numbed, and blase to what is happening around you.
    I’m glad you have your pictures as a memento.

  6. H. Nelsen January 14, 2013 at 3:46 pm #

    Drew,
    I think you’ve over-intellectualized this a bit. Ultimately what this all boils down to is that HyperMac contributed to an environment of inequality through their “display” and use of booth babes. The tech fields have been tough for women to break into, because they are so male dominated. You said, “Objectification of women, particularly in the media, is offensive and often a smokescreen for deeper fears about power, control and sexuality.” I think you made a good point and I agree with you, but I would more simply call that oppression. My question for you is, do you think it’s ok to assert your power and control through use of objectification? Do you think it’s ok to oppress women, by limiting their opportunities for success? I for do not and I hope for your daughters’ sake you agree.

  7. Phillip January 14, 2013 at 6:13 pm #

    First, i would say that Drew Keller deserves some applause for attempting to discuss the issue in a nuanced and thoughtful manner. Not everyone should be expected to change their views because of online advocacy; we should hope to catalyze a national conversation, which we have helped to do. We need more people like at least talking about the issue rather than deflecting it in the manner HyperMac has done. That said, I also think HyperMac ignores the strong points made against their company in the article, especially terms like “sophomoric” or “crass and absurd”. Those are definitely not compliments or terms used to define a thoughtful marketing strategy. I also believe the author failed to account for the fact that social critique is often at odds, intentionally, with the emphasis of profits over ethics and social justice. Many of us are exhausted by the continuing flow of “crassness” accepted in the name of profit. Companies can have strong economic success and social compassion; the two are not mutually exclusive. Yet, companies like HyperMac constantly exclude social responsibility at the expense of civility and ethics. As long as they do then there will be those of us here to bring broader awareness to the issues and just maybe catalyze a different commercial zeitgeist in the future. And that all begins (but shouldn’t end) with increasing the audience for the dialog.

  8. Robert January 14, 2013 at 7:32 pm #

    The bottom line here, for me anyway, is the power of the female form. To say that it is wrong to display it for advertising purposes is a bit confusing. Why is it okay to use an attractive female in clasic works of art but not in any other media? Not sure if sexuality should be swept under the rug or considered to be in poor taste as you suggest.

    • Emily January 17, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

      Art has context. I agree with you- the female form is powerful- but art has context. These were blank- no context. Classic nudes have something you can sit and discuss, it resonates- that’s why it has lived up to the test of time. They are bible stories, or a tale of mythology, o a lover, or….etc. But here… just parts, to bring in customers. Typical marketing move for a business wtih a heavily male customer base. They could’ve done a smart campaign with out isolating. Look at the Ipod campaign.

      • Robert January 17, 2013 at 4:23 pm #

        The female form has power. That is something we can all agree on. Perhaps the most powerful force in existence…. anyone tried that Match.com website btw?

        • Phillip January 17, 2013 at 5:04 pm #

          But that “power” isn’t inherent to the female body but relevant to the male’s who attempt to consume it. That is the problem. Why do we as a society have to constantly value a woman’s body over anything else she may be able to contribute?

  9. Drew January 15, 2013 at 9:25 am #

    I appreciate the respect and thoughtfulness everyone has shown here as we explore an issue we all believe is an important reflection of who we are as a community and as a culture. When there is passion there is the temptation to resort to polemics and insults. Thankfully, to date there are no trolls, just well-reasoned arguments that advance the conversation. That makes everyone’s point of view accessible. You have given me the opportunity to consider the issue from alternative and highly personal points of view. Many I have previously considered, some I have not.

    Some of you have made assumptions about my relationship with my children. My two daughters are members of an open, dynamic, loving and respectful family. We talk about topics like this over dinner every night and I hear points of view that at times mirror many of the comments here, and at times are more coincidental to mine. I make every effort not mandate what they should think or how they should feel on any topic. They are young women who are fully capable of forming their own opinions. And do. Consequently we will continue to talk about this topic and many others. I can only hope each of you has parents who work to give you the intellectual freedom and respect to form your own opinion. While not always successful, I do my best.

    I knew expressing my feelings, and the thinking behind them, would not sit well with some. I took the risk of sharing them as a way to own my personal responsibility. With this responsibility comes an obligation to change and evolve when something feels askew. I still stand by what I wrote, but that viewpoint is evolving.

    I also chose to write my post in an effort to frame a respectful conversation on the topic and diffuse some of the slings and arrows I was seeing on the web from all sides. Again, I cannot fully express my gratitude over the respectfulness of the comments to date. Thanks to all for taking the time to engage.

    • Phillip January 15, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

      Support. I cringed when I read people make assumptions about your relationships with your daughters. I feel privileged to have been mentored and encouraged to analyze ideas and concepts instead of resorting to ad hominem style fallacies. Our ideas will always be imperfect representations of who we truly are as people.

      I respectfully disagree with some of your points but also agree that having a civil discussion is a major accomplishment for any issue. Best of luck and hope you remain introspective and flexible in your worldview.

      • Robert January 15, 2013 at 4:56 pm #

        It is so easy to get over analytical when dealing with human sexuality. The best course of action is understanding and acceptance. It’s not going away anytime soon…I sincerely hope not that is
        .

    • Emily January 17, 2013 at 3:08 pm #

      I understand your frustration and need to explain your relationship with your daughters (papa bear), but please realize, when you open an article with your relationship with them, and then segway into an analysis of booth babes- you are going to get some commentary.

      You weave a story of your experience, which opens with you as a father. I cannot not think of you as a dad as I read. And I have to admit (being honest) I am a bit horrified. your article lead my thoughts flow from one subject to another- young women, booth babes… all I see is women being used, yet again, for their parts, seen as decorative pieces- and that have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PRODUCT. Yes, I do want to know what you would tell your daughters about how these computer parts relate to women’s parts, and why it is okay to put them together in this context? Is a monetary return reason enough? Because in your article, it seems the answer was a resounding yes, and I for one, cannot accept that.

      My thoughts are that a product should sell itself. Naked women- without a direct relation to the product, is just lazy marketing. If we all came together and refused it, it would go away. Sex (not sexuality- that is owned, and these women are blank, a canvas- you know nothing about them. This is not Cabaret) sells. If it did not, we wouldn’t push it in everyone’s face.

      The face of computer tech will change- the youth, young women, are pushing for degrees and jobs. I mentor disadvantaged young women (8-14), and they are tech wizards, and many have dreams of working for Apple, or jobs in Communications and webdesign. One of our projects is to pull ads and other things- like necessary “women” branded specialty products that offend them, as young women. This came up. You’d be surprised. Give it 25 years, and my hope is perhaps this outdated mentality will change.

  10. Phillip January 15, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

    I don’t think any of us are arguing against “understanding and acceptance” of human sexuality. Quite the contrary, critiquing and analyzing these media campaigns I think leads to healthier and freer sexuality between individuals. But there is a caveat, that being a difference between sexuality (which I understand to be the expression and behavior of individuals interacting with each other) versus objectification/sexualization (the projection or representation of sexuality principally for the gain of something other than individuals participating). Our society seems to conflate the two, at least in its rationalization of commercial culture. I would state that the sexualization, overwhelming of the female body by the male gaze, is ultimately a parasite of the genuine sexuality between consenting adults. It warps mutual respect, most often in the name of profit or power. I can’t support that.

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